tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post7760894962748039137..comments2023-06-26T05:29:21.219-04:00Comments on The Harriet Klausner Appreciation Society: Amazon appears to be selling cock-fighting ragsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-5118840036315704602007-08-23T14:25:00.000-04:002007-08-23T14:25:00.000-04:00Addendum on Amazon's Bullshit:Amazon professes to ...Addendum on Amazon's Bullshit:<BR/>Amazon professes to be on the side of free speech and against censorship in any of its guises while it seeks to defend the indefensible, the selling of such outrageous magazines. At the same time, how would the website justify its word check robot which routinely and mindlessly censors words thought to be too "dirty" for human ears? These include among others Stanley H Nemethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01614307917754419143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-12845778918622992622007-08-22T06:47:00.000-04:002007-08-22T06:47:00.000-04:00Please take a look at Vick's site August 21st at t...Please take a look at Vick's site August 21st at the Dayton Daily News for more on this story:<BR/><BR/>http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/booknook/index.htmlBarbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-79305594854881476152007-08-20T19:36:00.000-04:002007-08-20T19:36:00.000-04:00Now that Michael Vick has pleaded guilty to charge...Now that Michael Vick has pleaded guilty to charges of dogfighting perhaps more attention will be brought to bear on Amazon's sale of these disgusting rags. <BR/><BR/>Check out some of the Vick related merchandise that's been springing up:<BR/><BR/>http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Vick/-/fpt_eX_____B___C__a__b0H_PE__aah__lS?CMP=KNC-G-PR-tkvickBarbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-44407506348624107322007-08-20T17:44:00.000-04:002007-08-20T17:44:00.000-04:00Jeff Bezos is laughing all the way to the bank. Bu...Jeff Bezos is laughing all the way to the bank. But Bezos aside, even if these mags are printed where it's legal, should it not be illegal to sell them elsewhere, where they're not? I must be missing something...Malleushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304227040238914084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-84900587905174783432007-08-17T22:21:00.000-04:002007-08-17T22:21:00.000-04:00In the past year alone the cock fighting magazines...In the past year alone the cock fighting magazines sold on Amazon have featured more than 1,600 advertisements for the sale of fighting birds. One of the magazines even carried an ad for the sale of an arena where these fights are held in rural Kentucky.<BR/><BR/>Amazon frames this as a free speech issue but consider the facts; each of those ads was a solicitation to commit a crime. The sale and Barbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-87534360336528410422007-08-17T21:15:00.000-04:002007-08-17T21:15:00.000-04:00Stephanie,Bullshit is exactly what it is. And self...Stephanie,<BR/><BR/>Bullshit is exactly what it is. And self-serving bullshit at that. They're posturing as guardians of free speech instead of the greedy bastards they in fact are.Barbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-45899036687152024542007-08-17T20:06:00.000-04:002007-08-17T20:06:00.000-04:00I got a repsonse from Amazon. And it is like you s...I got a repsonse from Amazon. And it is like you said, they don't see it as an illegal practice. <BR/><BR/>Response from Amazon:<BR/><BR/>"Thank you for writing to Amazon.com with your concerns. <BR/>I understand that you feel very strongly about this issue. <BR/>Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred <BR/>or criminal acts; we do support the right of every Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345678553818295931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-31183060717878117192007-08-17T19:40:00.000-04:002007-08-17T19:40:00.000-04:00Amazon is a private company: they're not required ...Amazon is a private company: they're not <I>required</I> to sell everything there is -- free speech has nothing to do with any of it. They simply chose to sell this stuff, that's all. <BR/><BR/>Like someone said, you can't stop birds from flying over your head, but you can prevent them from building a nest in your hair. There's a nest in their hair, and it's only because they don't mind.Malleushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304227040238914084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-86632295116348143882007-08-17T19:10:00.000-04:002007-08-17T19:10:00.000-04:00Amazon spokeswoman Patty Smith is quoted as saying...Amazon spokeswoman Patty Smith is quoted as saying, " The customer is the best judge of what is and isn't appropriate for their reading habits."<BR/><BR/>What about pedophiles? I'm sure Ms. Smith would say that's different, it's illegal. But so is this type of animal abuse.<BR/><BR/>Amazon continued to sell a DVD called Hood Fights2 which showed not only dog fights but people engaged in street Barbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-34400088890979425812007-08-17T18:26:00.000-04:002007-08-17T18:26:00.000-04:00Thanks. I'll add the link to the post itself.Thanks. I'll add the link to the post itself.Malleushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304227040238914084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-9140590784025721692007-08-17T17:38:00.000-04:002007-08-17T17:38:00.000-04:00Here is one source about the outcome of the Humane...Here is one source about the outcome of the Humane Society's lawsuit against Amazon:<BR/><BR/>http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=18120<BR/><BR/>I think there is still an ongoing legal challenge, I'll try to find out additional information.Barbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-32308750130899687832007-08-17T13:27:00.000-04:002007-08-17T13:27:00.000-04:00That's all playing stupid. But it wouldn't go far ...That's all playing stupid. But it wouldn't go far in court though, so I'm wondering what happened there. According to that HSUS (?) document, they took Amazon to court about a year ago. What happened? I would also like to take a peek at an issue or two: I've never seen printed matter of this nature.Malleushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304227040238914084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-39415504664273768712007-08-17T07:41:00.000-04:002007-08-17T07:41:00.000-04:00It's incredible what Amazon has offered in their d...It's incredible what Amazon has offered in their defense;<BR/><BR/>"In recent court filings, Amazon.com and other animal fighting proponents have claimed:<BR/><BR/>Animal fighting is only "allege[dly]…cruelty to animals." <BR/>Advertisements for animals sold to fight and die in the ring -- including one whose seller bragged that he impaled his opponent "through [the] neck and kill[ed] [him] Barbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-81746279828715656622007-08-17T00:56:00.000-04:002007-08-17T00:56:00.000-04:00Here's about what I think, expressed better than I...Here's about what I think, expressed better than I probably would (slightly edited for readability):<BR/><BR/><B>Myrrh404</B> says: <BR/><BR/>This is ILLEGAL! That's the difference. [...]<BR/><BR/>The reason there is a difference is that there is a vast difference between kill-to-eat (necessary or not) and joy-in-torture. <BR/><BR/>Your average dog (depending on breed and individual) has the Malleushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304227040238914084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-83050575551581979242007-08-16T22:58:00.000-04:002007-08-16T22:58:00.000-04:00http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/NoticeofIntentto...http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/NoticeofIntenttoSueAmazon-FINAL.pdfMalleushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304227040238914084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-40270274668951426882007-08-16T22:55:00.000-04:002007-08-16T22:55:00.000-04:00I too hope is not a lot of people. One good thing ...I too hope is not a lot of people. One good thing I've noticed when perusing reviews there, is that almost invariably the five-star reviewers are single-review ones (to me that looks like a sock-puppet). And whoever reviewed more than one item, usually has reviewed a number of similar magazines and nothing more. I'm also glad to see that many of the one-star reviews are well-written and eloquent.Malleushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304227040238914084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-38510241349364208942007-08-16T22:48:00.000-04:002007-08-16T22:48:00.000-04:00As one of those "PETA nut jobs" it's always amazin...As one of those "PETA nut jobs" it's always amazing to me to witness the depths of stupidity people can display, like this jerk. Animals in the wild, (some), kill to eat, not for "sport". Has he seen wild birds with razor blades attached to their feet to make the fighting bloodier? At least comments like this are so far in the minority, but who knows. We've seen the underbelly of Amazon in the Barbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-12216151535561026942007-08-16T22:27:00.000-04:002007-08-16T22:27:00.000-04:00Here's a common cretin's voice:***** Kudos to Amaz...Here's a common cretin's voice:<BR/><B>***** Kudos to Amazon!, August 10, 2007 By Gregory J. Sadler:</B><BR/><BR/><I>Keep up the good work! Although I don't get into animal fighting, I like to see the PETA nut jobs put in check. These are ANIMALS people!!! Do you think they don't kill in the wild? The whole world isn't a Disney movie! Enough about animal rights, I've got a steak to eat.</I><BR/><Malleushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304227040238914084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-90738327316657618962007-08-16T22:10:00.000-04:002007-08-16T22:10:00.000-04:00Stephanie,Way to go! Amazon needs to feel it in th...Stephanie,<BR/><BR/>Way to go! Amazon needs to feel it in the pocketbook. With all the attention being focused on the NFL player Michael Vick's case this is a good time for animal protection societies to take the fight to Amazon. There are currently half a dozen discussions going on at Amazon about this issue.Barbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-91336089349271358462007-08-16T22:06:00.000-04:002007-08-16T22:06:00.000-04:00They don't cancel accounts, but they may disable y...They don't cancel accounts, but they may disable your password. So, if it comes to that, make sure to wipe out what you can, which is your address, credit card, and so on. <BR/><BR/>Btw, why post it on the board? It's astroturfing grounds, no point posting anything there. Better post it on unrelated, independent blogs and boards you know of.Malleushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304227040238914084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-70503212126749843032007-08-16T21:59:00.000-04:002007-08-16T21:59:00.000-04:00I can't believe this is being sold on Amazon. Than...I can't believe this is being sold on Amazon. Thanks for letting me know. I tried to "get the word out" on the discussion board, but I got a message saying:<BR/><BR/>"Sorry, you may not post at this time. This forum has a waiting period before new members can post a message. Please return in 24 hours to post."<BR/><BR/>Would anyone else be willing to get this thread started on the board? I know Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345678553818295931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6369920588474226441.post-76045958859958439332007-08-16T21:19:00.000-04:002007-08-16T21:19:00.000-04:00Malleus, thank you for posting these links. This i...Malleus, thank you for posting these links. This is a subject I find very upsetting. It's just one more reason to despise Amazon. Anyone who could traffic in this kind of crap that encourages this horrific cruelty to animals is not deserving of our consumer dollars.<BR/><BR/> I know some people find the animal rights group Peta a little too strict for their taste but the Humane Society is as Barbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.com